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PostSubyek: DEBATE   Wed Feb 20, 2008 8:40 am

Since we know that SMAK3 has a reputation in English debate, I made this topic so SMAK3's students can improve their critical thinking about a topic in English.

Everyone can do debate here, but every argument need support idea, proofs, or examples.
The topics will be stopped if no one can continue the topic and a new topic will be posted and discussed.

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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Thu Feb 21, 2008 5:30 pm

first,
do you think that indonesia can still hang on electric generator that use diesel fuel or coal?
the fact now, it's difficult to delivered the supply if the weather in the sea isn't good n they send the coal or diesel fuel from the ocean.
this happen now days when the weather is become dangerous to be sailing n PLN become deficit the power of electric n some area in jakarta become dark in the night or in the day

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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Fri Feb 29, 2008 8:31 pm

Well, eventhough you said that it's difficult enough to deliver those materials, but could you imagine what will happen if there are nothing else to use?

Actually, there are other resources :

1. Nuclear power plant
This power plant is being built nowadays in Indonesia.
There are also so many countries using this nuclear.
But infact, this nuclear power plant can't be guaranteed
secure enough. While we know that Indonesia is still
developing and don't have the capability yet.
And another problem about the Indonesian Plate --> so
many erruptions, earthquake which can danger the
nuclear power plant it self and will risk the area.

2. Wind Power (Holland's)
Not enough wind and space in Indonesia.

3. Water Power
Can't afford the demand and so hard to find the "correct"
and enough water flow in Indonesia.

what else? lol!
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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Sat Mar 01, 2008 2:13 am

Well, i think Water Power will do, because as we know, our country is more than 50% is surrounded by water.
We only need to build "dam". Even though it will cost a lot, but since our resource of water is alot..

Anyway, if we continue using coal or fuel, which are scarce resources, those will be eventually extinct and can't be used for other things..

Other alternatives are, Solar Energy..
Since we have a lot of sunlight, but since it's depended on cloud density, sometime it's not really effective.
Even though there's no Sun in the night, solar energy can be stored as battery, but of course it'll need a very big battery...

Ow, and i think wind power can also be a little bit useful, if they put the "wind generator" on the shores, because, there's a lot of wind around the shores, as you all also know that wind also used by fishers..

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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Sat Mar 01, 2008 10:25 pm

first of all, I would like to tell you that this is my first time joining a debate, and my english is not very good. so I would like all of you to aid me...

well, concerning using water as the resource of our electricity, in my opinion, which was used and very useful in the past, we can no longer use it. Water used for electricity is usually from waterfalls, and due to the disafforest around them, those waterfalls are no longer available. And about the "dam" mentioned before, I don't think it will be of any use as the water doesn't have enough energy to make the turbine produce sufficient electricity supplies.

Next, the thing that come into my mind when reading using the windmills is an uncertainty, can't be used if I may say, because there hasn't been a test or a reseach conducted to prove that we can use them, but all of us know, that Netherland has been using it for ages, and there is no way that our government doesn't know that, so there must be a reason why we are not using it.
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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Sun Mar 02, 2008 11:08 pm

Wind Power is one of the best idea
beacuse
in Nusa Tenggara
there are much wind
n they have been started to use wind power

for water power
the water supply of the river in Jawa n Sumatra didn't stable for all day
when in the wet season, the water was overflowing
n when in the dry season, there's 'no' water
so
it isn't efective to use water power in jawa n sumatra

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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Tue Mar 04, 2008 3:23 am

Well, different area have different sources that can be used to generate electricity. If u think water power won't be useful, then what alternative resources that can generate electricity in Indonesia?
@Tommy
So, u think "dam" won't give any use because water won't give enough power to generate the turbin? So why human created "dam"? Isn't it to produce electricity? We even have a large supply of water, why can we use it? If u think that one "dam" can produce electricity for 1 city like Jakarta, of course it won't be enough. However, for sure it will help to give electricity supply.


Emm, i just thought about something that might be useful but i don't know this will be good or not.
Indonesia have so many volcano, and i think its hot gas can also be the generator.

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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:49 pm

earth heat
wind
water in east indonesia
solar cell
n etc
many potential power supply in indonesia

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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Thu Mar 06, 2008 10:57 pm

"dam" is being created to store water to reduce flood I think, but it can't be the water power electricity if it's not raining hard..

For wind thing @ Yosia's, Eventhough there are "huge" wind in Nusa Tenggara, The problem is the structure of the land, in Holland, the land has a flow structure that makes the wind blows to the same direction and at the same flow.
And we know that, Indonesia is very crowded that there are no more space, where could we build this Windmill thing that needs so MUCH space..

For volcano :
Well, such a simple solution,but how much power can be produced by this "hot gas" from one volcano,it couldn't be
much, and the problem is that, you can say " there are so many volcanoes" but do you realise "How many power plant to be build on the 'volcano's fire'??"
Not feaseble.
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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Sat Mar 08, 2008 8:04 am

Hello..Jakarta is crowded..but not Indonesia..
We have so much space that we can use to put "windmill"...

Well, you're right about dam, but dam is also one of electric source..

We can't only depend on 1 source...
If we combine those alternatives, i believe we can get enough power to supply electricity in Jakarta.

So, don't say that this won't do, or that won't do..
We cannot be maximized if we only focus on one sector only.

There's no one solution that can solve this problem. We have to get more than one solution / alternative and combine it. THat's the solution.

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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Wed Mar 12, 2008 9:28 pm

Another problem is that,
We can't just simply say "combine"..
That's true, we need lots of sources since we know how much the demand is..
But, look at the capability, to create a one good source of energy, our country still can't control, how can they COMBINE??

While extremely, nowadays we know about some new
rules about tax and discount thing from the PLN,,
So many people disagree, but still PLN do nothing and
still keep being silent..

This kind of problem, they can't solve.
To create another source = bigger problem.

(Far far away arguments >.<)
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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Thu Mar 13, 2008 8:49 am

We are not capable to use one source only to provide power for our city..
The main problem is because we don't have enough resource..
Why can't we combine or i should say, get power from different sources??

That's possible..
I don't know how they control a source to provide energy for our city..But i believe that we have enough labour to control them..

I just think that might be PLN people are too lazy, they don't want even to think any solution.
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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Mon Mar 17, 2008 8:42 pm

THBT holywood should make its movies available on-line

any one know bout this issue??or anyobe have opinion bout this one??
just give here!!

i dont agree bcoz holywood already spent a lot of money to make a film, by implemented this policy will make holywood lost a lot of money, bcoz ppl can watch the film in inet and they dont have to pay it at all,,
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PostSubyek: Re: DEBATE   Fri Mar 21, 2008 8:27 am

POI...

So whats is the purpose for Hollywood to make such movies?

U said that Hollywood have spent lots money to produced it, please give definition for "movies", which kind of movies is it? the newest? or the oldest? even we know the issues, since the Government don't
a clear definition bout it, the debate won't go well.

when a movie have passed it's productive ages, it'll be the same with old-fashion Hand phone. people 'll leave it and don't take care bout it anymore.
why don't we share it our people?
we know that Hollywood have existed for years coz of their movies qualities, why don't they share they experience?
it'll bring +impacts to all movie producers, coz no guarantee that nowadays movies is better than past movies


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